Comments - Iraqi Protest Leads to Participants Getting Shot by Police
category: Shocking | views: 46558 | posted on: 04/01/2007
Everything started out with nothing but smiles and cheering Iraqis. That didn't last long.
Lexington Steele [ban] | Apr 1 07 : 4:59am
Religious people= nutcases. These people think it's justified to commit all these brutal crimes against another because they are not true believers and according to God you are suppose to fight them.
Yeah right 
ImaFilthyPig [ban] | Apr 1 07 : 5:21am
They seem to enjoy living in the stone age, so why is it such a problem to speed up the procedure. NUKE ALL THEM DUMBFUCKS, thats the fastest way to the stone age. DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS
Well, I guess the lesson learned here is... If you are not armed; don't mess with the guns who have the guns!
I like how they kept stopping the camera man from filming at certain points...
Sad state of affairs.
I pray for all of our Brothers and Sisters who are currently serving.
hauntedbody [ban] | Apr 1 07 : 5:42am
@ aussiepride, shut the fuck up bitch....first of all you are not in Irag helping anybody so dont even bullshit about that becasue the people who are risk their lives everyday to make others lives a little better. so you just sit where you are shut your god damn mouth and write comments on NT vids u dumb fuck.
@ dumbasscheme, man your name says it all YOU ARE A FUCKIN DUMBASS...if these people are monkeys then you are a fuckin filthy rollin in shit pissin and then drinking it cunt likcing dumb mutherfucker. you piece of shit go find something better to do and leave these issues to people who give a fuck about each other.
AussiePride [ban] | Apr 1 07 : 6:04am
lmao @ hauntedbody. yeah mate. I see you in Iraq doing the world of good right now.
Invade a country, rob their resources, alter their government and call it "Democracy"
ChimpyChompy [ban] | Apr 1 07 : 6:32am
Whoever thought they could turn a place like that into a democratic state is plain fuckin stupid.
Those people just aren't ready for anything other than a dictator to tell them what to do becuase they are simply incapable of thinking for themselves.
Hugh G. Rection [ban] | Apr 1 07 : 7:10am
Hmmm, monkeys armed with guns running wild in the streets, what the hell do you expect to happen?
can't help but to think that a golden opportunity was handed to these people (judgeing by how many flee the middle east to go to western countries), and they squander it. no one to blame but themselves, really.
if, and that's a big if, they could have came together as a people, with the massive amounts of money to be spent on infrastructure, most of the troops may have been home by now. just fucked up people i guess, and not deserving of anymore American blood.
Whatever the case, whether or not "the terrorists will get the message that they have won," as is often said, I think America should stay out of foreign affairs and leave the rest of the world to themselves. Then again, I would have said that it should protect its foreign economic interests, but it was able to do that a hundred years ago without killing people. Not so today, apparently...
Regarding the video, that was quite a barrage of gunfire! I guess the Iraqis don't scatter so quickly at a few gunshots as American spineless liberal hippies do. Not that, to my knowledge, we ever actually shot them... but they're so unbearably annoying, I'm supposing it has happened before.
Well then, after reading the above comments, I have a few things I'd like to throw out there. I will try to keep it short. But who am i kidding, really.
Why are we in Iraq? Well, in my opinion it is because of credibility, and strategic value. fighting a large, long war in just Afghanistan against an insurgency where the enemy has almost infinite places to hide, blend in with the population around terrain that is among the worst to fight in would be difficult to win. Remember, the Russians, whose army rivaled our own at the time, lost a costly war there in the 80s.
So what do you do if you want to make an example of American world power as well as the power of democracy (and capitalism) to the rest of the world? As well as centralize a war where the odds are more in your favor? Along with still being seen as the "good guy" to the rest of the world? Invade a nation where the fighting may be more easily controlled. Or where the people will be more receptive. AND, you will place a western ally in the middle of a hostile area, as well as gaining access to oil reserves (there will be wars fought over oil within then next 50-100 years, its impossible to deny). And take out one of the worlds dictators as well.
It sounds all good, especially to a man who has been in office a little over a year, and (as Lyndon Johnson was) had little experience with international relations. let alone international terrorism. Bush's strength was in domestic affairs, so when we were attacked, he listened to his advisers. I am probably wrong with my above opinion, but it makes sense why we would not want to centralize a global war on terrorism where the odds of victory were less in our favor.
Only we underestimated the culture. They are not stupid there. in fact, Baghdad was among the intellectual capitals of the world before we went. Only tribal societies have a long memory. I am not going to go into the history of the region, but the warnings were there. Just as they were during Vietnam.
People blame G W Bush, but in reality, the blame for this particular situation is spread out even before Bush Sr. And Bush Sr. should have never put sadam back into power. Our policy of not negotiating with "terrorists" has screwed us over just as our policy of not negotiating with Communists screwed us over between 1949-71 in Vietnam. History does repeat itself.
@ Slamdog: I typed up some stuff that just didn’t show up for whatever reason, but the protest involves loyalists of Saddam Hussien and his regime and US backed Iraqi police. Although some opposed him, they still protested in his favor out of fear that he may come back into power again someday - Despite his capture! Hard to believe yes. This was footage taken prior to his death. They chanted something along the lines of "Long life Saddam and the Shia" or "We support you Saddam and long live the Shia..." anyway.. Hope the video makes more sense now. 
@ ecks2007: You really don’t offend anyone but yourself when you say silly things like "funny they ran so fast they left their sandals behind...
Moral of the story? FUCK ALLAH!" ALLAH is the Arabic word for GOD. So what you are saying is FUCK ... -The same GOD Muslims pray to is the same God that gave us Jesus Christ and Moses. Anyway.. May he forgive you on your day of judgment. I truly hope so.
@Lexington Steele: This is not a religious matter. It is purely political. I respect your desire to add something meaningful here today but you have come short of that. Please read more, otherwise stick to the jokes like "funny they ran so fast they left their sandals behind.."
@I am a filthy pig: Your attitude helps fan the flames of hatred in this world. We put Iraq into the stone age man. Wake up! Never mind if it was right or not, the fact is, that their country is reduced to rubble. Please, everyone, watch this... http://youtube.com/watch? v=aiRugtbQGA8
Jonny_GunZ [ban] | Apr 1 07 : 11:45am
It's good to see "that guy" is bringing some enlightenment to this comment page to counter the idiotic hillbilly bullshit.
ImaFilthyPig [ban] | Apr 1 07 : 11:46am
^^ Hey dumbass, we didn't put them in the stone age, they have been living that way for 1000,s of yrs, they just want the rest of the world to live like they do, well FUCK YOU im not having any of that stone age shit in my country 
.... so what's your point with that video, 'thatguy'??? Are you trying to get me to hate the U.S. because these destroyed some buildings and ruined some people's lives?. Sorry, it didn't work. Why don't you open your biased eyes a tiny little bit and look at the likes of Paris, France before and after the Allies liberated it during WW2. And the civilian deathtoll was WAY higher in that war than this one. Go spread your bullshit propaganda somewhere else.
For my fellow Brothers in arms... Here is a video about Iraq from an American perpective... I posted it in the forums, but this seems to be a better place for it.
http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=kJryJaXKUv4...nmake r%2Ecom%2F
I again say a prayer for all our Brothers and Sisters in Arms...
what i get is these so called enllightened folks WANT to live under tyrants, and kings, caliphs, autocracy, emirs, ayatollahs, dictators or any other word that would describe their political reality. how,with all the guns and other forms of mayhem at these cats desposal in the middle-east, saddam never got a bullet in his head? i mean before the iraq/iran 7yr. war, or duri ng that same war when untold numbers of little kids were sent into the mine-fields as human fodder, how about after that war? or when saddam demanded to be relieved of his debt to kuwait and was refused, he invaded kuwait. no bullet, no carbomb, no martyr to rid themselves of the dick-head ( yes, i know a few halfassed attempts were made). gets his ass handed to him, and then builds more palaces to his ego while his people suffered for the lack of basic necessities. still no bullet.
i guess what i'm trying to say is, if these enlightened people have the ability to attack heavily armed convoys and troops who want to help them and just get the fuck outta there and go home, a bullet never found saddams head?
i can only surmise that they must WANT it this way, and that's the pity.
simplistic, i know, but god damn it, on your feet or on your knees, and if knees, they have no one to blame but themselves. again
@ Gildorg: Great link dude. If only more soldiers had his attitude then we might be out of their sooner than you think. Mason made a great point when he said "Their government is 4 months old, It took the US 200yrs to get to where it is today. Its going to take some time." That is totally true. My question to you is, if its going to take so long, why dont we just let them do it? Dont you think they will have more pride 200 years from knowing this is a country that was liberated by allies and established and built by Iraqis? Look at us here in the United States, We are so proud of how we founded our country. We built ourselves and that pride is reflected onto our beautiful flag. the red and white stripes...the stars...You can only do your brother's homework for so long until he finds a job and realizes he isnt qualified to do the work.
Ulrik posted:.... so what's your point with that video, 'thatguy'??? Are you trying to get me to hate the U.S. because these destroyed some buildings and ruined some people's lives?. Sorry, it didn't work.
My point was in response to another members comment. That point was that Iraq wasnt always in "the stone age." That video helped present my response. Please read the discussion in full next time you decide on bashing me. Otherwise, you lose credability among others such as myself.
Ulrik also posted: "Why don't you open your biased eyes a tiny little bit and look at the likes of Paris, France before and after the Allies liberated it during WW2. And the civilian deathtoll was WAY higher in that war than this one. Go spread your bullshit propaganda somewhere else."
I dont care about what happened back then. This is now. I dont understand your point here. Are you implying that because more people died in WW2 France than they did in Iraq then it justifies the destruction and death in Iraq? I sure hope not.
@that guy - I appreciate your openness to watching the video. I believe that we are hoping that by showing the Iraqis the value of Freedom, it will stick and they will be receptive to a new way of thinking... However, it is a Herculean task that not many people who were raised in the "Instant Gratification" mentality can truly embrace.
We have to take the time my friend... We are attempted a change in mentality that has fostered and corrupted people for more year than either you and I would wish to contemplate.
I was told a version of an old statement a very long awhile ago. "Anything worth having is worth fighting for!â€
I realize that I am one of the more old-fashioned men here, and I truly do not wish to come off as "Holier then thou"... God knows as a Bad Catholic that should be the furthest thing from my mind.
In any case, I appreciate the fact that you and I can have a civil discussion. Take care and God Bless.
One more video to share... I apoligize to presently serving Service Men... I dare you not to share a tear at it...
http://www.liveleak.com/v iew?i=743_1175271755
I originally got the link off of: http://www.texasrainmaker .com/
Warning to the more liberal people (Don't follow the second link) I don't feel like listening to your flames about it...
^that guy....maybe, (i said maybe), that after the liberation of france, Ulrik (may have) meant that the french wern't killing each other en-mass (collaboraters excluded), due to some lame assed religious differances between countrymen. you could even say the same for germany and japan, that once they surrendered, that was for most intentions, the end of hostilities, and they most definetly got bombed to the stone age. i have no way of knowing or proof, but it seems(i may certainly be wrong here) after the initial push into bagdad (when by most definitions, hostilities would cease) by the coalition, that more civilians died at the hands of their own countrymen and that they continue to kill each other to this day.
why? for what? to see who (or what sect) will be the next "strongman" of the middle-east?
maybe your right and america should just get the hell out of there and let them do their thing, but i ask you, just how long do you think it will take for democracy to take hold in iraq, useing germany and jspan as an example of countries bombed to hell and back and having democracy imposed upon them. for an enlightened people it should be a snap ya think?
ImaFilthyPig [ban] | Apr 1 07 : 5:10pm
FOR THOSE ABOUT TO KILL WE SALUTE YOU! KILL OR BE KILLED, GET'EM BOYS 
@jqp364: I am not for or against Bush, but the fact of the matter is that we can only speculate as to how much he would have done on the domestic front had it not been for certain outside priorities. If you recall his initial run for office, he had pretty good plans for how to better the nation. You can criticize him for not doing "enough", but a good amount he has done has not been all bad.
The vast majority of media sources tend to tilt left, and the rest seem to feel the need to tile right in compensation. So you cannot get a no shit story from either end most times. It is far too easy to use the Bush administration alone as a scapegoat for the situation America is in here at home. The senate is largely to blame as well.
As far as Iraq, I never said we shouldnt have gone there. If I felt us being there was bad, i would not be in the position I am in life. I wont go into personal moral views about everything, mainly because that is a debate I am tired of having, and I am trying to stop posting such long comments.
As far as why Iraq has gone so poorly, to be brief, the culture is different in degrees Westerners cannot comprehend. I would like to go into that, but I think a Forum topic should be made of this whole Iraq thing. It seems many of us have a lot to say, but are limited by the fact that we are reluctant to post one long post after another.
@everyone: I am willing to start a thread on the Iraq issue, but is anyone interested in the idea? NT being an international community, I think it might be interesting to see the various points of view...
upsidedowngiraffe [ban] | Aug 5 07 : 9:52pm
the sad thing is that you had no place going there (think the UN would agree with that) and now you have something on your hands you can't stop
@ ned: That was nice and sweet. But you need to realize not all seeds are able to grow anywhere. Sometimes it takes a native dormant seed to sprout and grow into an impressive proud tree. That takes time.... What a wonderful world indeed.
@iDoSay: If you start that thread, I will make a forum account and hop on. Just lemmy know.
@Gildorg: Much love brother. Our only difference is in thought. At the end of the day all we are is dust.
ImaFilthyPig [ban] | Apr 1 07 : 7:12pm
SHOOT TO KILL, SHOOT TO THRILL. FOR THOSE ABOUT TO ROCK (KILL).....WE SALUTE YOU
the_green_cat [ban] | Apr 1 07 : 7:41pm
@ iDoSay.... absolutely you should start a thread in the forum. That's what it's there for. There's a lot of intelligent debate here but I think a forum would be a more appropriate place for it.
Join the forum, people!!! It's a whole other world in there!!!
@ Ned.... pls check out my post to you from 03/29, "1992 race riot."
^that guy.. i suppose, but as you stated earlier" i don't care about what happened back then. this is now.", so they helped set the mark at the dawn of true civilizations. true, but what have they done lately, in the now? how about 50yrs ago, 40-30-20-10yrs ago?
not being sarcastic, but, it's not like america or the world was 200yrs ago.
i know i'm forgetting my history here, but america had little example to go on in order to form it's constitution, and it took some very brave and brilliant men to concieve and write the most perfect of documents, and yes it's been 200+ yrs to get this far. but it's not 200 yrs ago , it's the now.
point is, with all the stuff from t.v's, satelite dish, phones, internet,books, all that is know or could be known at your fingertips, with relatives who have moved to western countries, why should it take 200yrs to figure out that what they had, sucked, and ther's got to be a better way?
and there is. we gave it to them, it's available for all to read, and certainly a starting point i think. it's not like the concept is new, is it? many trials and errors on the books to learn from. don't have to make the same mistakes as america did. i would concider that a big advantage on the learning curve. 200yrs to get it together? God have mercy on us all.
ImaFilthyPig [ban] | Apr 2 07 : 12:37am
Enough pussie footin around over there, either were there or were not, as it is we ARE there, so lets stop wasting tax payer dollars and stop worrying about offending some bleeding heart tree hugging red doper diper baby and use our military the way George S. Patton would be proud of! ENOUGH ALREADY
Dehydrated Manatee [ban] | Apr 2 07 : 3:32am
Iraqis can't do anything without having to shoot an AK-47 in the air and scream and chant very loudly.
upsidedowngiraffe [ban] | Aug 5 07 : 9:46pm
wtf, if that is popular opinion in your f**ked up mess of a country then there really is no hope is there? if it's not, and you believe what you said, i hope you die a slow agonising death in the way 600000 innocent iraqies have, thanks to your f****ng idiotic government. cheers
Sventhecommie [ban] | Apr 3 07 : 5:18pm
@isxin heard of kent state? look it up 4 students killed in a peaceful protest because of the national guard
stonkintonkatoy [ban] | Sep 24 07 : 6:02pm
There's nothing wrong with Iraqis... its that fecked up religion as with all religions that's causing all the trouble. Apparently it is ok to die killing your enemy where as Chrisianity says its ok to die saving your enemy. I wanna know which religion says... it's not ok to die and you can live forever if you want but here on earth, not in some imaginary made up place called heaven. God in any form DOES NOT EXIST!!! When will you stupid rag heads figure it out?
HOUSExOFxLORDS [ban] | Jan 13 08 : 8:48pm
i think if we do this in u.s.a in every protest , we can be freed of illigals in this country 
DrGreenthumbb [ban] | Mar 31 08 : 1:42pm
the people were in support of al-sadr and the cops happen to be from a different group so they fired on them at least thats what the video said on a differnet site and also they are bad shots cause they only droped 3 or 4 people when there was like 100 around
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Moveable Feet [ban] | Apr 1 07 : 4:11am
Do you all promise to write something stupid after me, please?