Comments - Man Gets Shot to Death During Live News Coverage
category: Shocking | views: 116991 | posted on: 05/14/2007
If I had a nickel for everytime a knife wielding maniac got shot while charging cops, I'd have at least ...30 or 40 cents.
tattletale [ban] | May 14 07 : 4:35am
treearge: i think it was the "officers kneeling by th white van" who actually shot him.
@vid-diiiiiiiiiiiisturbin g....bloody clothes....and all
nightprowler [ban] | May 14 07 : 4:49am
"He was shot by a K-9 officer." Cops getting so lazy these days their training their Dogs use their firearms.
michaelgorby [ban] | May 14 07 : 6:28am
I do not forsee myself ever understanding why cops do not use tranquilizers instead of real bullets... maybe bullets are cheaper than the alternative ( or human life).
I'm w/ Toxic, could have easily shot him in the leg
shite_for_shore_eyes [ban] | May 14 07 : 6:37am
Yeah, a bit trigger-happy methinks. Shoot him in the leg, that would have stopped him. K9 cop might as well have had a pet rabbit instead of a dog if he's just going to use his gun anyway!
+1
I'm sick and tired of people always beating up the cops for doing their jobs...The cop didnt wake up that morning and wish to get a chance to shoot someone. Cops are not robots, they're humans. That guy is going to have to live with that image in his head for the rest of his life. Lets not forget who put them in that situation...THE GUY WIELDING THE KNIFE... Also some of You watch to many movies. Police are not trained to shoot people in limbs. Street cops are trained from day 1 in the academy to shoot center mass (torso) and in extreme circumstances, cranio-occular (head). Police do not not shoot to wound people or kill them. An Officer shoots to stop the assault...period. The officer fired 1 shot and the assualt stopped. The Officer has the obligation to protect himself and others... At some point the officer felt that someones life was directly threatened and took action. He had to make a decision in a nano second that will probably be critiqued for months. Remember each one of those Officers has a family to go home to...That individual with the knife made a choice dont blame the officer, blame the individual with the knife for forcing their hand. Also...no K-9 handler in their right mind would release his dog on an individual that was visually armed...And yes, I am a 9 year veteran Police Officer, so I have some experience in this field
shite_for_shore_eyes [ban] | May 14 07 : 7:28am
Zeek, his point is that it's ok for him to shoot people dead regardless. He says that's what they're trained to do....to kill people struggling with mental problems and not just resolve the situation by less violent and disturbing (for the victims family & the cop) methods.
@toxic:
"Further; why did the officer shoot him to death and not in the leg or knee... police is there to save lives, arent they?"
No, police are there to protect the innocent. EMT's and Firefighters save people's lives. This person had already injured several other people, including a toddler, by stabbing them. They had no idea, I'm sure, what this fuck was capable of.
You use tasers against someone who won't comply, or someone who has a mean punch. You don't use a taser against someone who's going to take your life.
Most of the comments on NT right now are proof that most of you live in split-level homes with mommy and daddy or inside a college dorm room and you're naive about the outside world.
So people struggling with mental problems can't kill people...Does that somehow make them less dangerous??? Is that what they are supposed to tell my wife and kid when they knock on the door to tell them i'm dead? "Oh we are sorry for your loss, but if it makes it any better your husband was killed by a guy who was having mental issues and not a real criminal, i'm sure he didnt mean to do it?" And Shite...if you would read the body of the message instead of letting your negative bias for cops overwhelm your ability to reason, you would have noticed that I DID NOT SAY that cops are trained to kill people, they are trained to use adequate force to stop an assault. Perhaps if the Officer had a taser available he would have used it, but in fact the agency in question did not authorize its Officers to carry tasers...Unless any of you have ever been in armed conflict, you have no idea how fluid the situation can be...there is no testbook to follow. I'm sure Zeek will have a juvenile remark in response to this post...
shite_for_shore_eyes [ban] | May 14 07 : 8:14am
@cbj54
I'm not negative about cops at all. They are the important part to law enforcement.
I merely pointed out that you said the 'from day 1 in training you are taught to shoot in the torso'. I just think that that training is a bit idiotic. Can the cops not be taught to disable the opponent by other methods? Why can't someone with a knife be shot in the leg? Why should cops be subjected to the trauma of killing someone when there are other proven methods to bring a situation like this vid to a halt?
I'll give you the answer to your question...it's a two part answer. There was a case going back at least 30 years...and i cant recall the name of the person involved, but it ended up in the Supreme Ct. An Officer shot a person armed with a knife (same type of situation) in the leg and ended up killing the person. The individual's family sued the police officer and his department because he was not officially trained to do what he had done. The state court upheld the decision but the US supreme Ct overturned it. In the ruling the Justices stated that if Officers were specifically trained to shoot at limbs...that it would contradict Tennessee Vs Garner...ie, if an Officer feels he has to discharge his weapon that the use of a firearm in and of itself is deadly force. It is a moot point as to where in the body the offender is shot. The Supreme Court affirmed that training Police to "shoot at extremities" would open the police officer up to civil litigation if the offender was permantly mamed or died as a result of a "maming" shot... This is the same reason why you no longer see police officers where "expert marksman" pins on their uniforms. It decreases litigation..."Office r if you are an expert marksman why did you shoot my client in the testicles in such a cruel an unusual manner?" 2nd reason: much higher probablity of a miss and wounding innocents. Very difficult to hit someone in the leg or arm..they are usually moving.
DogBrainDon [ban] | May 14 07 : 8:36am
One question. Why is a police officer looking at site like this?
Ya know what cbj, they had all the time in the world to aim for a leg, or aim with one of those guns that shoot those beanbags. You are only sticking up for your brothers, that's understood. What is not understood though is the "charge" the dude made, didn't look to me like it warranted a fatal shot. We all have days where we are like, "oh man, I am so mad I could just kill somebody". Well, these cops have that chance on quite a few occasions. You have to admit, some are pretty trigger happy! 
Wow...yes zeek that was juvi enough, thanks. And yes it was a type-o... was supposed to be "textbook"...An d i like looking at this site cause theres alot of interesting stuff on it...Cops actually have a sense of humor and we breathe air and eat food and sleep just like other humans...And i'm not sticking up for those guys...plenty of cops have done stupid shit, and i'll be the 1st to jump on their case. 1 asshole can make the other 99.9% of us that are good, honest, hard working cops, look bad. The video doesnt show the whole story on this one either...there were two cops sneaking up on the other side of that car, they were going to try to ambush him and take him down without using their pistols... but he turned toward them and made what one of the officers interpreted as a "threatening move" toward the oifficers...In the acedemy cops are taught the 21 foot rule. Anyone within 21 feet of you can close on you faster than you you can draw and fire your gun...granted these guys already had drawed down on him, but he was still way to close for comfort...you will notice that the lead cop attempts to back up until the offender makes a move toward the officers hiding behind the car...
well thats crap then, u may be trained to neutralize the situation asap, but he had a KNIFE, why cant a cops use common judgment. i could see if he had a gun, then you want to kill him quick, but a knife, all u got to do is stop him from charging. just cuz u say your a cop doesnt mean that your idea of how to handle things are always right, all it means is your trained to think that way.
My personal opinion on it: Shoot the fucker and his stupid neighbor so there aren't any witnesses. Then shoot the guy holding the camera. Tell the investigators that the maniac with the knife got a hold of a gun and went off.
Real world: I don't care what SOP per the police training manual states. In this situation it would have been POSSIBLE to detain the man using less than lethal force.
Is there a lawsuit here? I hope not, the fucker got what he deserved. However, I can tell you that any lawyer can bring a strong case to a courtroom. With that, if it's standard proceedure for an officer to inflict a shot into the torso of an assailant weilding a knife, then the guy won't be losing his job anytime soon and did the "right" thing. If that's the case, they really need to get some new "TEXTBOOK" literature.
dudwood fudwood [ban] | May 14 07 : 9:29am
@cbj54: I hear what your saying. But the way i see it from this vid and many others out there, it appears there are a lot of trigger happy cops out there. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a cop, never have been and its not something I would like to do (respect to you for doing it), but couldn't they use "non lethal" weapons to disarm him or knock him down? That guy is now dead because of that officers actions. I live in the UK where knife crime is becoming a big problem and still the cops dont go round shooting these idiots, so surely there must be other ways of tackling the situation? I also think a lot of the negative comment towards cops on here (from personal experience) is due to the fact that, no matter what country, there are cops who are dicks and abuse their position. The minority give the majority a bad rep.
@cbj54......I live in a very violent....drug infested part of the city. Cop's here have a shoot first ask question's later attitude. I know all of you guy's are not trigger happy. Sorry if i offended you with my comment's.You seem like a pretty level headed guy. Prop's to you and your homie's. Keep up the good work.
shite_for_shore_eyes [ban] | May 14 07 : 9:43am
Too late Zeek. I wouldn't even chance going out if you have a bad hair day if I were you. You're a marked man.
Elafontitus [ban] | May 14 07 : 9:49am
That could have been handled better. Why did they choose to wait untill the guy turned his back on them to shoot him?
The guy was wondering around bare footed in the snow. just mace him taser him and let nature do the rest. I respect cops and if the guy stabbed a child I say just kill him anyways but jesus have the courage to do it to his face. 
cucarachito [ban] | May 14 07 : 10:09am
@cbj54 thank you for serving. i have to disagree with my good friend zeek on this one. the guy had already stabbed TWO WOMEN! i say, fuck him! i would have unloaded the clip on him!
as for those saying "shoot him in the legs" THIS ISNT TELEVISION or A VIDEO GAME! its real life, try shooting at a leg about 8-inches in diameter, while the guy is charging you WITH A KNIFE! and zeek, una mas cervesa 
to you amigo.
Folks...shooting people in the leg or arm just isnt gonna happen...most departments have strict policies against intentionally shooting someone in a limb. Secondly, for those of you who think there are to many "trigger happy cops" out there...Nationally, over 99 percent of police involved shootings are ruled justifiable...If any of you would like to see what happens to cops who hesitate i suggest you watch the video of Deputy Kyle Dinkheller's last minutes on this earth, I believe its on this site somewhere. As you will see...many cops are not "trigger happy" and it got him killed...And thanks, i'm really not trying to make any enemies here, but i do feel strongly about this stuff. So thanks for not getting to pissed at me, but I've buried two close friends that were both killed in gunfights.
It's funny the double standard we set... If anyone comes at me with a knife with the intention of taking my life, I gaurantee I won't feel a bit of remorse for shooting him dead on the spot. But when a cop is attacked with a knife and uses a gun in response, the question comes up as to whether he was justified or not.
Again, I think the guy more than deserved to have his balls shot off. This just goes to show that somethings just not quite right with the world.
To cbj54: Sucks to be you. Everyone cries when you're not there and when you do show up and do your job, they question your method. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. That's exactly why there's a "textbook proceedure". Even if it's not the right thing to do, you can always turn the page and say, "SEE! It's right there in black and white. If the perpetrator is within 24ft and threatining my life, I'm justified in shooting him".
i just watched the Kyle Dinkheller video. Crazy!!! I dunno if he could done anything differently except for shoot a lil sooner than he did. He did fire some shots himself? I think that dude was just looney and i dunno if the cop stood a chance to get dude to settle down.
Elafontitus [ban] | May 14 07 : 10:46am
dk1979
Why do you have to lump every situation into 1 category? 9 out of 10 times when a cop shoots someone they hate the fact that it had 2 happen. But clearly there are exceptions and if there are no checks and balances then police will have the power to do whatever they want. Thats not a position that any authority should have in a democracy. So go on with your attitude that questioning an individual situation is the same as accusing all police of being wrong, but anyone with half a brain understands that holding authority responsible for their actions is allways important. Maybe they had a right to shoot that guy dead but to me it looked like he was walking away from them and they clearly had the upper hand. Mace him or taze him, it was 20 cops with guns standing 10 feet from him, you mean to tell me they cant bring him down without using a gun?
@Elafontitus
If you'd read my previous post: "Real world: I don't care what SOP per the police training manual states. In this situation it would have been POSSIBLE to detain the man using less than lethal force."
I think anyone can see that it would have been possible to use less than lethal force. I was both stating my opinion (I would have shot him without question for being an ass much) and stating what was justifiable behavior.
I'm not a cop because I would absolutely abuse the authority. I'm the guy that would be beating people senseless for simply being accused of molesting a child. WHy??? Because personally I've never been accused of anything I didn't do and I don't buy most peoples bullshit. Again, this is why I'm NOT a cop. Mercenary... perhaps. Hitman.. possibly. Law enforcement = NO!
Cops have to abide by a higher standard and that sucks (in my view) I commend them for taking the higher road, they have stronger moral base than I do.
dj_sleevless [ban] | May 14 07 : 11:12am
wow, this happened in my city! not often you see this kinda thing on the news in Canada!!
@ bluntbear--- sorry but a 7 minute video on how to defend urself is too long. I thought it was gonna be something cool, like people in actual knife fights....what a let down.
Thanks for the link, but no thanks, cuz i don't plan on getting myself in a situation that involves fighting with knives.
michaelgorby [ban] | May 14 07 : 11:34am
@ cbj54:
I have devoted a lot of time to read your long postings, but would really like to ask you a serious question:
If cops can get in trouble for aiming for specific limbs, then wouldn't using a tranquilizer gun help void both negative outcomes?
(I've seen them knock out a 500 pound lion instantly. I think it may work on a 24 yr. old guy)
As someone who works in the medical field, thought I'd throw in my 2p-worth...
If you shoot someone in the leg who is high on speed / crack / PCP, and you don't break a bone, they'll most likely not notice and keep on coming at you.
If you shoot someone with a tranquilizer dart with a sufficient dose to sedate them, not kill them, it will take at least 5-15 minutes for the effects to kick in unless you magically get it to discharge all of its contents into a large vein. Trust me, I do it every day in theatres, and it is not instant if it goes into the muscle / under the skin. It's also hard to work out safe doses in smackheads who take all sorts of shit daily and have wierd & wonderful metabolic rates.
However, if you shoot someone in the face, they stop what they're doing and relax. Well, I've never done it myself, but having seen it a couple of times on nothingtoxic, that's what seems to happen.
...and if you're stupid enough to not drop a knife instantly when you see a copper with a gun, you deserve to be shot. And the policedog doesn't deserve to be stabbed. He's also got a wife & kids to go home to...
jcool
ps. Oh, and my favourite comments of the day so far...
cbj54 posted: I'm sure Zeek will have a juvenile remark in response to this post...
ZEEK33 posted: ..........Suck a dick
Heh! Genius!
Elafontitus [ban] | May 14 07 : 12:22pm
@cbj54
I watched the vid again and saw that he wasn't walking away he was walking towards the cops kneeling behind the car so you couldnt see them. It reminded me of what the retired police instructor taught me at my consealed weapons class, that someone running at full speed with a knife from 10 feet away can reach you in a split second. So i guess your right, its not worth taking chances with this punk. But it seems like he was wondering around for a while just waving his knife in the air, they coulda hit him with like 5 tazer guns during that period. Do you know why they didn't try anything like mace or tazers?
westphoenix [ban] | May 14 07 : 12:30pm
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
Don't threaten someone else's life if you are not ready to lose yours. Why wait around and see what he decides to do with his DEADLY WEAPON? The first cop should have shot him, he was well within striking distance and a knife at close range can be more deadly than a gun. He either didn't think the police would shoot him or he wanted to die. What the problem is?
i hate stupid pigs. there are too many un-fit police officers out there that dont follow procedure. whenever i have had a run-in with the law i have complied and treated the officers with nothing but respect and i have gotten treaten badly, been insulted and even been beat down for no reason. iv'e tried to do something but when its a citizens word against a pigs, a pigs word always wins 
there are decent hardworking police officers out there, but laws are made for criminals and lawers and wiether or not they want enforce certain laws they have to its their job and i think this video and all the others videos of police imcompentence serve a point. i have respect for hardworking decent police officers but all corrupt pigs can die slowly and painfully
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screwyou [ban] | May 14 07 : 4:02am
New phase of reality TV, I guess.