Comments - The M16 Versus the Ak47 in a Detailed Comparison

category: Cool | views: 54553 | posted on: 12/14/2007

They could've saved 4 minutes of time and just had a duel between a marine and an insurgent.

TheGoli [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:28am

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This was really sick, it's just show how sick of a country America is, this you wouldn't ever find in western european country and not even Britain as much as the british fellow would like to in here. it's sick that they show how the guns even work publicly.. sick.. I have no other word to expell it. icon_frown.gif

dirty bertie from number 30 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:42am

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TheGoli on Dec 14 07 : 6:28am wrote:
I have no other word to expell it.
Goli,old pal. I'd be grateful if you wouldn't "expell it" so close to where I'm posting. There have been enough bad smells around here recently without you stinking the place up further. Thanks for your consideration.

TheGoli [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:47am

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dirty bertie - you having something useful to say today or just whine as usual?
Spuiter - Yeah I gave myself one thumps up as I realised no one else would do it for me icon_beer.gif

dirty bertie from number 30 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:51am

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TheGoli on Dec 14 07 : 6:47am wrote:
dirty bertie - you having something useful to say today or just whine as usual?
Oh thank you , yes it's whine as usual. My personal favourite is Chateau Margaux, 1970.

TheGoli [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 7:00am

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dirty bertie - well, it didn't surprise me that you would just whine as usual.
thearchangel - you should be lucky that you are just talking like that though the internet, I bet you didn't dare to talk about my parents in real life, if so you could be sure on that you wouldn't come back to United States of Asshole. either shut the fuck up or fuck off this site.. you are not wanted in here.
tdwj - well, there aren't many protentials terrorist here in western european countries, if so they get imprison. but first fix your gay country to AmericASS

thearchangel [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 6:16am

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Goli- you should have taken that 1 thumbs up and shoved it up your ass along with the thumbs of your 72 male virgins (meaning you'd be dead, before your idiot ass isn't able to catch my drift).
Oh yeah, and showing how a gun works is so much more sick that seeing a religious nutbag saw off a non-muslims head with a kitchen knife, huh?
Why couldn't your dad have fucked a camel to pass the time instead of your fat mother?!

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TheGoli [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:33pm

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archangel and rascoil - you both are very sick, can't you go and commit suicide or kill each other ? than we could get some peace which is needed in here NT.

Cho Seung Hui [ban] | Dec 19 07 : 6:37pm

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Oh, Nice one archangel, Are you Jewish? Most Jews team with America to spew Hate Speech against Muslims

dirty bertie from number 30 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 5:08am

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Wow, John Goodman certainly knows his assault rifles. Pity his Chinese is so poor, I couldn't read a word he was saying.

dirty bertie from number 30 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 5:15am

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Sorry 'bout cluttering up the opening comments guys, hit the wrong button there.(Hangs head in shame)

AEnemaBay [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 6:04am

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Wow, if I ever decide to become a dictator your're the first one I want by my side. I mean we can't very well let the common folk know how to operate weapons can we? That would just be bad for business.

rascoil [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:21pm

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First a new test stick the AK up Goli the Sand Toads asss and the M16 up Osamas ass. Better yet they could stick them up each others asses. Then pull the trigger to the tune of alla akbar alala akbar. Tea bagging fags. I all ways wondered where the guy the idea for 2 girls 1 cup. It was from watching you two shit eating Toads.

aVon [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:31am

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M16 sucks and the AK is just a bad copy of the german Sturmgewehr in WW2. German guns ftw.

bertomsons [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:32am

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whoa
now i can apply all that knowledge on my counter strike playing. thank you, nothing toxic!

Spuiter [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:37am

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TheGoli on Dec 14 07 : 6:28am wrote:
This was really sick, it's just show how sick of a country America is, this you wouldn't ever find in western european country and not even Britain as much as the british fellow would like to in here. it's sick that they show how the guns even work publicly.. sick.. I have no other word to expell it.
Hey Goli, I see that you actually have ONE thumb up, the one you gave yourself. Man, if you didn't already exist, you should be invented!

ummmm, Yeah [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:45am

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The goli is a troll, I have no other word to explain it, just a troll icon_rolleyes.gif

Toxicity [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 12:00pm

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Umm, Yeah.

justinkong1 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:45am

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i'll take the slingshot thanks...

tdwj0330 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:51am

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Hey Goli
you are clueless on American. And I am sure no where in Western European countries you would find guns like these. Ask some of the many terrorist you have there if they own one.

thedude [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 5:05am

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The Dude abides.

Idonteatdog [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 5:13am

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I vote for M16....wait I think AK47 for POWER...

Covenant [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 5:21am

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Regaqrding the vid...its silly to compare two weapons like this. I used an R4 and an R5 weapon(based on the AK) and both gave varying degrees of results when coming to grouping/accuracy. It all depends largely on the individual shooter and the way he sets up his sights. If the visd was true no-one would ever have been hit with round fired from an AK47.
One thing they do not mention in the vid is the sheer indestructibility of the AK 47 which has made it the most successful weapon around. You can leave it buried in mud/sand for weeks, pull it out jam a clip in and literally fire the rifle clean. The MI6 would be hard to find cause of the amount of rust it would have had. Same with the R4 and R5.

explosive intensity [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 7:42am

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Thanks for boring me to tears. icon_beer.gif

bombercommand [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 5:33am

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AK anyday.

ggallin1 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 5:37am

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I bet I've fired 10,000 plus Ak rounds over the years.
This vid is complete bullshit. Aside from rifles like the (.222 .223. etc.) the Ak is top notch.
Almost never jammed either. Unlike the AR-15 & AR 70 I've compared it to @ the range.
I love America & do not like to say so...but the AK (a quality one mine was A wooden stock Kalashnikov) out shot, out performed, out grouped, out everythinged the others.
I have NOT compared it to our newer model M-16 though.
Thats all.
Good morning everyone!
-GG
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Da Bomb [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 5:58am

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In the Marines we called the M-16 a "treetop and blue sky shooter" ....on full auto it takes a lot to keep it from "walking to the right and climbing" icon_rolleyes.gif

AEnemaBay [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 8:11am

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Yeah, in the Corps today you're not even allowed to use burst. I sometimes tell my Marines "this is burst, this function is used by men who have no marksmanship skills. Marines do not use this function." By the way, I'm a rifle and pistol marksmanship instructor for 10th Marines.

Da Bomb [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 8:42am

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I was a weapons instructor for 2Nd Mar Div in NC..Semper Fi.....oohrah !!! Taught everything from .45 cal pistol up to and including 105 howitzer, 3.5 rocket launcher, and my personal fav BAR icon_beer.gif icon_beer.gif

AEnemaBay [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 10:13am

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Haha, looks like I took over your position. By the way, Camp Lejeune still sucks. icon_beer.gif

TigerWapWap [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 8:51am

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youve never owned sh1t and youve never shot shit cus you aint sh1t and never will be sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeet, b1tch.
GG.
(ps. i sign my comments because im gay.)

Explosivo333 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 5:42am

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maybe in the battlefield of some decades ago the AK47 would take the cake, but in modern warfare the M16 lights shit up hard, machine guns are pointless in todays wars unless they are mounted on a chopper

Covenant [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 5:48am

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Guy will make a great pin up icon_rolleyes.gif

Explosivo333 on Dec 14 07 : 7:42am wrote:
maybe in the battlefield of some decades ago the AK47 would take the cake, but in modern warfare the M16 lights shit up hard, machine guns are pointless in todays wars unless they are mounted on a chopper
Not treu....if you look at the situation in Iraq close quarter combat is huge...a good, reliable, functional machine gun is essential...especially in urban surroundings.

AEnemaBay [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 5:57am

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When I went to Iraq I was more than thankful to have my M4 and ACOG over an AK when we did urban patrols. But then again, if my M4 were to fail, the AK would be the first thing I'd pick up.

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globetick [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 6:12am

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No comparison against my trusty spear; never jams, doesn't require loading, and can knock out a toy tank
from 10 ft away. icon_cheesygrin.gif

sorrow [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 6:39am

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These are both great assault rifles. Even though heavier and less accurate, I personally prefer the AK-47.
@Goli, I can see my words from yesterday fell on deaf ears. I guess I had expected this.

Farvs [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 6:43am

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Regardless of which one is better, I wouldn't want to be shot with either one... although I would take the 47 over the 16 any day of the week.

Hoaks [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 6:55am

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When I was in the army I used Rk-62 and Rk-95 and I can tell you that they are way better than AK ( they are AK variants ). I have never used M16 so I don't know, if it's good or not, it looks that it's not powerful enough.

Martial [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 6:56am

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I just bought 1080 rounds of 5.45x39 WASP for an AK-74 that I'm picking up today. I wonder why they aren't comparing the M16 to the AK-74 instead of the AK-47? Much closer in caliber.

Nocturnia [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 7:26am

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Last time I went to Vegas I went with my ex-bf to the firing range and got to shoot the american rifle here (m16?) and it was fucking amazing, not that I have much to compare it to, but it made my whole week. I think I reloaded about 6 times. I'd love to try the other rifle in the video next time.....

TigerWapWap [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 11:00am

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when i was in the army i used both of these weapons aand can confidently say MY DICK shoots much faster and further than either of the 2. Just ask yer mums.

I Eat Pussy Cats [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 7:29am

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The STFU cause your jst complaining for no reason....any way... I liked this video. why? As much as we hate war it is apart of humanity, so as someone who likes to study anthropology, I am interested into the desings of weapon.....plus i know war history....plus plus guns are cool (to watch on the PC)

sorrow [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 7:36am

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"the other rifle?" That "other rifle" has seen action in virtually every conflict in the last 60 years with hundreds of thousands produced in many countries. You must be living in outer space, no offense intended.

I Eat Pussy Cats [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 7:38am

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I Eat Pussy Cats on Dec 14 07 : 9:29am wrote:
The goli STFU cause your just complaining for

sorrow [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 7:49am

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Don't worry, anytime I see certain words I just know to whom they must be directed. icon_biggrin.gif

explosive intensity [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 7:49am

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That's nothing. I have a double barreled, hand held, semi-automatic, pump action rocket launcher which is made out of antimantium and never requires reloading. I'm not bragging...

acorn [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 7:50am

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So the M16 came across as a gun for children or maybe gays. The guy must have missed the wooden blocks with it though.

sorrow [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 7:58am

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The problem with very powerful full-jacketed rounds is that when they hit a person they pass clean through making little internal damage. I've heard the 5.56 x 45mm NATO round is one hell of a motherfucker when it hits someone at close range, fragmenting and doing major internal damage, increasing the likelihood of major internal bleeding.

crederer [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 8:19am

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They didn't test reliability. The AK can fire after being buried in sand, covered in vaseline, frozen, driven over by a transport truck, all at once. The M16 can't.

neebuz [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 8:40am

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iam sorry for a moment there i thought i was watchin discovery

metoxic [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 8:40am

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I prefer the Bullseye or the Auger icon_rolleyes.gif icon_lol.gif

acorn [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 8:48am

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Interesting fact Sorrow, that explains a lot really if I think about it.

Slamreef [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 8:58am

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i'm not interested. Liked that little gun from yesterday more.

Validated [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 9:16am

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I have an AR-15 short 16" Bull barrel SS freefloat, MIL Spec as well as a milled receiver Russian Geniune AK-47, very nice quality. The M16 AR15 is about the same weight to to bull barrel and much more accurate than the AK-47, reliability is the same. Things have changed with the M16/AR15, it is now a premiere and reliable weapon much more accurate and better all around than the AK47.

m3xlc4n [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 9:44am

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Just had to create an account to comment here...
I have a fair amount of experience with both of these weapons, and I must say that end over end, the AK-47 is the perfect weapon. The guy shooting the 200m target was a jerk-off... I thought everyone knew that a decently trained person with an AK-47 can easily act as a sniper at that distance.
The M-16, until it's recent updates (including eliminating full auto) was and pretty much still is underpowered, certainly prone to jamming - in fact you had to clean it pretty much every time you fired it or else you'd be charging with a bayonet on a useless fucking stick.
The AK-47 can be dropped in water and covered in sand, used to pry open doors - or blow fucking holes in them. A skilled marksman can used one as a sniper rifle as I said before, or it can tear an enemies vehicle to shreds.
In todays military, the M-16 is a smart choice I'm sure. The modern approach (which doesn't work) is hit and run in urban situations. Which means every soldier stays in his bunk that night safe and sound, cleaning kits are available because soldiers don't spend days or weeks in the field, the ammo is light, and the gun is pretty much disposable.
If you were to put me in command of a small group of men, they'd learn guerrilla tactics, and how to use an AK-47 - and I'm confident you could stack 5 : 1 guys with M-16s against them, and my boys would win.

ammo9000 [ban] | Dec 16 07 : 4:10pm

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I totally agree, my friend is a Veteran and has alot of experience with both weapons and he prefers the AK-47 over the M-16 aswell, mostly for the same reasons, the Ak tears through most anything and can be dropped submerged in water sand whatever and still fire, as where the M-16 is very prone to jamming even when using it's three round burst, also there is a sniper variant of the russian AK-47 that is a great sniper rifle, just a little add-on there... icon_beer.gif

fakelol66 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 9:50am

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I like the old French Chauchat light machine-gun...
just 'cause I heard you can take parts off of it and make a still.

Da Bomb [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 10:29am

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That was without question ,the worst gun ever made and another reason to dislike the French...Open magzines that would clog on anything, a barrel that was machined with a hammer and a screwdriver... it's best when thrown at an attacker after it malfunctioned .....which was often icon_razz.gif

Validated [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 9:54am

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m3xlc4n on Dec 14 07 : 11:44am wrote:
Just had to create an account to comment here...I have a fair amount of experience with both of these weapons, and I must say that end over end, the AK-47 is the perfect weapon. The guy shooting the 200m target was a jerk-off... I thought everyone knew that a decently trained person with an AK-47 can easily act as a sniper at that distance. The M-16, until it's recent updates (including eliminating full auto) was and pretty much still is underpowered, certainly prone to jamming - in fact you had to clean it pretty much every time you fired it or else you'd be charging with a bayonet on a useless fucking stick.The AK-47 can be dropped in water and covered in sand, used to pry open doors - or blow fucking holes in them. A skilled marksman can used one as a sniper rifle as I said before, or it can tear an enemies vehicle to shreds. In todays military, the M-16 is a smart choice I'm sure. The modern approach (which doesn't work) is hit and run in urban situations. Which means every soldier stays in his bunk that night safe and sound, cleaning kits are available because soldiers don't spend days or weeks in the field, the ammo is light, and the gun is pretty much disposable. If you were to put me in command of a small group of men, they'd learn guerrilla tactics, and how to use an AK-47 - and I'm confident you could stack 5 : 1 guys with M-16s against them, and my boys would win.
Your opinion is respected, however im quite experienced with both weapons as well and love both. However advancements to the M16/AR15 have made it a superior weapons in all aspects. Take for example the HK -416/ US HK project a weapon based on the M16 design with out the introduction of hot grasses or powder in to the bolt area. There is simply nothing like it in the world and will be the most reliable weapon made. Feel free to look it up
http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=fNNCJ85ixv0
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m3xlc4n [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 10:02am

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Validated on Dec 14 07 : 11:54am wrote:
Your opinion is respected, however im quite experienced with both weapons as well and love both. However advancements to the M16/AR15 have made it a superior weapons in all aspects. Take for example the HK -416/ US HK project a weapon based on the M16 design with out the introduction of hot grasses or powder in to the bolt area. There is simply nothing like it in the world and will be the most reliable weapon made. Feel free to look it up http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=fNNCJ85ixv0
Sure, which is why I mentioned recent advancements, of course I am not experienced with the modern incarnation of the M-16. I have to be old school though, especially considering the fact that this question between AK-47s and M-16s is even raised... The AK-47 is and always will be a relevant weapon, you'll never see a man that has one drop it for an M-16, ever. It's like comparing PCs(ak) to MACs(m16). I'll take the reliable, non-proprietary one. Thers's one thing PC users can do that MAC users can't, after all... that's shut the fuck up and use it.

Da Bomb [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 10:24am

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Love the comments, and I speak from experience, early model M-!6 was good for making lotsa' noise..Pretty much it, altho' it has evolved sweetly...very reliable weapon now...Welcome on board icon_beer.gif

jaywhoo [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 11:28am

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Non-proprietary mac's? So I dont have to purchase Mac software from Apple? R u Fu.cking stupid?

Validated [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 10:19am

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m3xlc4n on Dec 14 07 : 12:02pm wrote:
Validated on Dec 14 07 : 11:54am wrote:Your opinion is respected, however im quite experienced with both weapons as well and love both. However advancements to the M16/AR15 have made it a superior weapons in all aspects. Take for example the HK -416/ US HK project a weapon based on the M16 design with out the introduction of hot grasses or powder in to the bolt area. There is simply nothing like it in the world and will be the most reliable weapon made. Feel free to look it up http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=fNNCJ85ixv0Sure, which is why I mentioned recent advancements, of course I am not experienced with the modern incarnation of the M-16. I have to be old school though, especially considering the fact that this question between AK-47s and M-16s is even raised... The AK-47 is and always will be a relevant weapon, you'll never see a man that has one drop it for an M-16, ever. It's like comparing PCs(ak) to MACs(m16). I'll take the reliable, non-proprietary one. Thers's one thing PC users can do that MAC users can't, after all... that's shut the fuck up and use it.
Agreed icon_beer.gif Cheers

spacemonkey1233 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 10:31am

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i don't know man but they are both sweet weapons in CS. I prefer the AK cuz it just kills easier and it is very accurate, just the recoil bites you in the ass.
and that is my inexperienced opinion.

TigerWapWap [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 11:10am

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i used to use a fully automatic rocket launcher with infinite ammo and depleted uranium tips, beat that b1tches!

Da Bomb [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 12:27pm

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I can piss for 3 minutes...20 feet out...after only icon_beer.gif icon_beer.gif icon_beer.gif icon_beer.gif

Da Bomb [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 12:32pm

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TigerWapWap on Dec 14 07 : 1:10pm wrote:
i used to use a fully automatic rocket launcher with infinite ammo and depleted uranium tips, beat that b1tches!
Oh, I read that wrong , I thought we were in a pissing contest....my bad....uranium tips you say...Impressive dude , icon_beer.gif icon_beer.gif for you... do you have to wear a haz-mat suit when you shoot that??

TigerWapWap [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 1:20pm

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lolololo

Mossberg 500 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 12:43pm

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If I had to carry a rifle into harms way I would choose neither and take a FAL or a G3 instead icon_cheesygrin.gif

Necramonium [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 1:52pm

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basicly the video says,use the m16 for long shots,and the ak47 for close range...

Evangelist - evils agent [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 2:04pm

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m16 long range as long as there not hiding behind small blocks of wood.Then use the A.K!
apparently you'll never get to heaven with an A.K 47
so i suppose killing with the M16 is ok with god icon_cheesygrin.gif

Nocturnia [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 2:00pm

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Hey everyone, I have a totally honest, non sarcastic question for everyone here: who has actually been in combat, fired at and been fired upon? I'm just wondering if people's opinions on these weapons are subjective or actually based on real combat experience.....thanks

Mossberg 500 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 6:24pm

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Nocturnia on Dec 14 07 : 4:00pm wrote:
Hey everyone, I have a totally honest, non sarcastic question for everyone here: who has actually been in combat, fired at and been fired upon? I'm just wondering if people's opinions on these weapons are subjective or actually based on real combat experience.....thanks
Thats a really good point. Using a weapon at the range will give you a good clue as to it's usefulness in a war situation ( if you think about it properly ), but the only definitive knowledge can come from combat veterans who actually live and fight with the thing. Which isn't me by the way - I'm a "Q" rather than a James Bond icon_cheesygrin.gif

Kaos2008 [ban] | Jun 15 08 : 9:09pm

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That is true. Most of these are range and material tested.
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The troops tell a different story...but will stick with what they got the most ammo for.
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There is only so many things that a range test can tell you about small arms.
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This Guy (I can't remember his name) is a fucking legend in the historian world. As soon as I am in the US, he's museum is the first that I'll go to.
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Dehydrated Manatee [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 3:01pm

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Take notice that they're comparing the AK to the classic Vietnam era M16. The classic M16 wasn't as good as the ones we have now.

Mother_Man [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 3:32pm

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I'd choose the AK-47 cause i find it sexier, and it's cheaper so i can afford to buy much more ammo, that way i'll get much more kills at school. (joke)

AK47heaven [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 3:37pm

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shoots through cement walls, cars and its good for glaucoma too

BEERMAN [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:14pm

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Da Bomb on Dec 14 07 : 2:27pm wrote:
I can piss for 3 minutes...20 feet out...after only
A MAN AFTER ME OWN HEART !! TANX BOMB icon_lol.gif
I could "light yer ass up" with my "Daisy" BB gun and don't EVEN get me started on my slingshot - i could bust a glass marble cap in yo ass from bout 50 yards - well, maybe 50 ft icon_rolleyes.gif
and, just like da bomb, i can blast dem fukkin cigarette butts right outta da water in da urinal after 5-6 brewskis - every time!!
icon_beer.gif icon_beer.gif icon_stoned.gif are on me !!

Da Bomb [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:25pm

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Thanks beerman icon_beer.gif

liacon [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 5:13pm

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Beerman I icon_lol.gif till I icon_cry.gif thanks for that buddy, I owe you icon_wink.gif

indyman911 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 4:42pm

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"This is my rifle, this is my gun...This is for fight, and this is for fun..." icon_beer.gif icon_beer.gif

RetiredAFbadman [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 5:18pm

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These weapons are for the most part, exactly as presented. The AK is a spray everything in sight and the M16 (and M4 carbine) is more of a rifle. I have only been in combat twice for a total of 2 hours or so in Somalia. It is not pleasant and NOT like in the movies. They were using AK's but not with any precision. Also keep in mind they were not professionally trained soldiers. They ALWAYS fired on full auto and you could almost always follow the line of fire straight up over 10 feet by the time they pushed out 10 or 15 rounds. At 300ft, one inch of the barrel going up (due to muzzle blast) translates to several feet. But then again, all it takes is one round and you're done.

Mossberg 500 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 6:12pm

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RetiredAFbadman on Dec 14 07 : 7:18pm wrote:
They ALWAYS fired on full auto
A really, really good friend of mine -a tough old bastard - 'worked' in various African hellholes during the 1970's and he told me that after a while he just didn't bother paying attention to an AK on full auto unless it was close. The attention grabber was when he heard single shots or double taps - bam...bam,bam. That meant someone was actually aiming properly ( Cuban mercenary most likely ) and then it was time to seek cover and do something about the threat.

Sk1Monster [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 6:41pm

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I've only got experience with the M-16A2 so as far as accuraccy - the M16 wins I could shoot an asshole from 500 yds but power...I guess the AK wins....so really the M-16 wins cause if you cant shoot dick for what youre aiming at then a weapon has no use. Yut!

Nocturnia [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 6:55pm

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Thanks Mossberg, I just thought I'd ask because I was just wondering how practical opinions on weaponry would be if not battle tested---my ex bf was in the security/bodyguard field and told me that most gunfights happen at really close range, and that adrenaline and panic would often play a huge part in detemining what would happen in battle? If that were true wouldn't training and capability and experience be just as important as the actual rifle you were using?

kevler [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 8:30pm

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That can apply to anything else to such as car vs car, u need a good driver to win teh race. But the cars can still be rated as better or worse by teh specs

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chiechie1979 [ban] | Dec 14 07 : 10:29pm

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i haven't been in a battle situation but have spent alot of time on the range with both weapons......you can't really FEEL the power diff. when shooting at paper targets.......they feel close BUT accuracy deff. goes to the m16/14 i would pick that rifle over the ak anyday....and its true when they say they sounds diff...

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mustaiek [ban] | Dec 15 07 : 12:49am

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m+16 its a facking joke of weapon

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sixshot63 [ban] | Dec 15 07 : 3:14am

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having been in the military myself the m16 nice and light and accurate but underpowered the ak47 powerfull reliable great street fighter. i prefered the FN/fal 7.62/51 .308win SLR heavy beasty accurate and the 7.62 is devastating at all ranges and it used the same round as the m60

ChimpyChompy [ban] | Dec 15 07 : 3:55am

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I saw a documentary a while ago about the M16. It shoots a small caliber round but is very effective against living targets as its bullets 'topple' on impact and fragment into several smaller pieces, causing loads of internal injuries to the person on the receiving end. This apparently wasn't intended by the manufacturers but is a major reason why it's still so successful today.

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TitusFook [ban] | Dec 15 07 : 3:01pm

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You should try the British SA80.
Fookin SHITE.!!!
Falls apart and rusts up to fook.
Give me 7.62 any day.
7.62MM entry wound.....fookin great big hole the other side..now thats stoping power.
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Heckler [ban] | Dec 16 07 : 2:45pm

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Made for different armies to do different jobs.
The AK is made for poorly trained soldiers with little marksmanship skills and used on full auto to overwelm the enemy humanwave style.
The M-16 is made to be used by soldiers with good marksmanship skills to hit targets out to 500 yards.
My choice for urban or jungle combat would be the AK but in the desert or in any other open terrain the 16 is better.

outlander [ban] | Dec 16 07 : 6:42pm

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whats wrong with Thegoli's comments, personally i like guns so i didn't like his comments that much but its true that some people love their guns just way too much

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manicdemise [ban] | Dec 17 07 : 11:20pm

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M16 original, which i believe this video is about, is a notoriously shit rifle , it was more renowned for jamming then the first SA-80..as for the ak47 well you could take a shit ni the chamber and it would still work, also lack of easily clog able and reasonably quick warn parts..and in Vietnam with the quite dense jungle , meant the ak47 had the upper hand ...also you have to remember ak47 was made just after world war 2 the m16 was coming around in the 60's..even then many us soldiers said they prefer the guns they all ready had over the m16 and the majority of north Vietnamese soldiers didn't even have m16 and still won.
and to put it a simple way you could get a old unused ak47 and it would work..not so sure about an old m16 ....
or to put it even simpler of course the marine would win cos he'd just call in a gun ship and melt the fucker down to his fillings icon_beer.gif

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P-90 [ban] | Feb 6 08 : 11:46am

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The Colt M16-A2, M4 carbine or the canadian made Diemaco C7 and C8 SFW are chosen over the AK-47 and its variants by the British special forces (The most highly trained regiments in the most respected and profesional army in the world) for one main reason the 5.56 round.
Those not in the know would think that the larger 7.62 round of the AK would be better but this will kill you outright if hit. The 5.56 tumbles upon impact causing massive internal injuries which tie up you enemies resources with casualty treatment and evacution whereas a dead soldier can be left until after a firefight to deal with. Plus in a world where everything is filmed and politically sensitive the smaller 5.56 round dosent go straight through your target to kill an innocent bystander.

Kaos2008 [ban] | Jun 15 08 : 9:01pm

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Exactly...these are things that should be taken into account.
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Well Said mate....you know ya stuff.
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Our Steyrs arn't as powerful, but the light wieght weapon and the quick interchangable barrels bring many benefits.
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And place the shots right and it's still bye bye towely anyway.
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They are only using the normal 16 here. There are variants that are better.
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DramaTim [ban] | Feb 11 08 : 3:42pm

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Nothin' new learned there icon_stoned.gif

Yakuza-Irezumi [ban] | Feb 17 08 : 6:59pm

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I agree with the title.

Dan Russell [ban] | Mar 6 08 : 2:50pm

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Boring.

bloodrunner [ban] | Apr 18 08 : 11:40pm

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I dont care about the comparison.
The AK fuckn blows doors on the m16.

canillo [ban] | Apr 21 08 : 12:33am

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i better take the AK47

Adrian7b [ban] | Apr 21 08 : 8:39pm

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used to own an AK-47, liked it very much, I cleaned it like twice a year and I used to go shooting every weekend. also owned a G-3, the rifle blows but it does some major damage. they call it the "shoulder tank" down in mid east. but the AK-47 has been around for over half a century. if it wasn't the best gun for the buck, it would've never lsted this long.

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The AK is the third world choice as it is cheap and it is simple to disassemble and maintain. If you got the bucks go with an M-4. Mine has never let me down... icon_beer.gif

kimbabilis [ban] | May 28 09 : 9:33am

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I have two M16 at home, my neighbor at Gaza used to have an Ak47, thats so sad!

drccoco [ban] | Sep 10 09 : 3:58pm

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yes sir

zdrastvutye [ban] | Sep 14 09 : 7:34pm

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imagine someone could shoot down a jumbo jet with a small ak47 bullet (dont say things like that at the passenger checkin), hahaha.

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