Comments - Anti War Protester Gets Ran Over by a Commuter
category: Shocking | views: 103048 | posted on: 02/24/2008
Holding up rush hour traffic to protest war? Maybe later they can kidnap a puppy to protest abortion.
ShockCaller [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 9:02am
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C'mon, there a bunch of kids. Even if you're against protests, its a (admittedly cumbersome) means of showing the will of the people, which is what America is about. Also, everyone saying 'self defense' is an idiot -- they only climbed on his car when he was already driving onto them, and were trying to stop him from doing further damage to anyone. PRIORITIES, DOLTS.
gandalf117 [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 10:03pm
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congrats you are the king of the fools on this site! APPLAUDS
quadfather [ban] | Feb 24 08 : 7:40am
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lol...think the old boy was just making sure her shoe came off..?? ![]()
DiscoBiscuit [ban] | Feb 24 08 : 4:20am
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Does the narator work for NT? He's in every fucking video clip!!! What are the chances of getting a forum/chat section going on Nothing Toxic?
Killerdude [ban] | Feb 24 08 : 4:22am
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After 3 day's of not being able to post I can honestly say I missed that narrator.
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monchichi025 [ban] | Feb 24 08 : 4:37am
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I'm sorry but seeing her tumble slowly underneath the car was some really funny shit!! Stupid ass kids, like stopping traffic will stop (insert cause).
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Narrarator said the driver was charged with "attempted homicide"?? Someone needs to research the law there. There is much more to attempted homicide than that, I seriously doubt his intent was to go out and kill someone. If he was actually charged with that, they probably knew it was too much to ever actually get a conviction on.
To the ran over girl; "when you lay down with dogs, you will wake up with fleas"
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Can you prove beyond reasonable doubt his intent was to kill her, or to get the hell out of there, and push their dumbasses oput of the way? There IS a difference. I am sure he didn't simply plan to go kill a girl. (and did she die?)
Also, a car is not necessaraly a "deadly weapon" ...if you are caught with a car, you can't be charged with possession of a deadly weapon. Before you blindly state something as fact, you should do some research first.
ShockCaller [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 9:13am
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Also, a car is not necessaraly a "deadly weapon" ...if you are caught with a car, you can't be charged with possession of a deadly weapon. Before you blindly state something as fact, you should do some research first.
And I see you've done none. Many things may be classified as deadly weapons if wielded in an aggressive manner, such as the Jena 6 case where a shoe (!) was considered a deadly weapon. According to your logic, they couldn't have been charged in such a manner, since to do that would make it illegal to wear those nifty jackboots you just bought.
And the defense of those cops in the Sean Bell case hinged on the victim's use of his car as A DEADLY WEAPON. But of course that's totally different, right?
Also, 'bosshonkey,' if you can't tell the difference between a protest of the Gandhi and Robespierre varieties, than please keep your idiotic opinions about self-defense on lockdown. Moron.
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Absolutely different. You merely classified the car as a "deadly weapon", thus my response.
Also, could you prove beyond any reasonable doubt that his intent was to kill? I think not.
You said "willfully running over someone with a car (deadly weapon) is the definition of attempted homicide." ...Strange, I can't find that definition of attempted homicide anywhere, where do you get this info from??
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ShockCaller [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 2:50pm
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Absolutely different. You merely classified the car as a "deadly weapon", thus my response.
No, he classified a car as a deadly weapon in the context of running someone over.. Which is the situation. At hand. And sorry, while the driver may not have had intent to run over her initially, the time elapsed between when she first went under his car, was dragged 20 feet, and came out the other end, removes any 'reasonable doubt.' If this had happened on a highway, where he didn't have time to turn or stop, that's one thing. However, he committed a deliberate act (slowly rolling up onto the victim) followed by a prolonged period using a device which, under those circumstances, can be considered a 'deadly weapon.' While he straddles the line between manslaughter and homicide, the victim's age and the pernicious nature of the action makes it realistic to charge him with the latter, more serious crime. All this parsing isn't really helping your argument.
voluntary_amputation [ban] | Feb 24 08 : 4:43am
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What else do you expect when you are sitting in the road?
xxxNicolasxxx [ban] | Feb 24 08 : 6:58am
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What else do you expect when you are sitting in the road?
MONEY.....
voluntary_amputation [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 5:22am
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hahahah! that would be really nice, better than getting hit by a car. ![]()
nukemm3333 [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 6:45am
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I would have done the same thing . That girl had the option to move or get ran over and she chose to get ran over. Notice how everyone else got out of the way. Hero of the cause....idiot of the day.
ShockCaller [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 9:19am
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Do the words "Tiananmen" and "Square" mean anything to ya?
And 'vongreim's' pitiful abasement to cutthroat capitalism is both unsettling and gratifying. Oh noes, he might lose a sale! JESUS FUCKING WEPT!! Meanwhile, between the bloated defense budget and endless funding supplementals, this idiot doesn't realize that floating the bill for this war is one of the reasons he has to chase that dollar so relentlessly. Forest for the motherfucking trees, this one.
nukemm3333 [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 9:52am
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No, actually, they mean pretty much nothing to me because I was too young to really remember anything from it. I have seen references to the lone man standing up against a tank but I have no clue what it was actually about. I wasn't refering to the issue that they were protesting on, only the fact that she chose not to move out of the way when 30 other people did. And I see the resemblance between Teineman Square there but sitting in the middle of the road doesn't make you a hero and it doesn't change anything. You draw attention to yourself but no real change is made. Using legal actions, getting a job in politics, etc. would be a much better way of ensuring change than sitting on the street. One of the people they were stopping in those cars could have been an activist on his way to deliver a proposition that would change things in favor of the protestors, you never know. Protesting like that is ignorant. Protesting in front of the whitehouse is different but blocking the street is just foolish.
ShockCaller [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 10:33am
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So I should assume the idea of collective action is meaningless in your worldview, right? All citizens are given the right to 'speak truth to power,' even if its their own truth, by any non-violent means. These folks, being of little power singly, and lacking other means to affect the political process, work in a collective fashion. Fucking Christ, it's bloody Black History Month, yet the idea of disenfranchised citizens working against the establishment is such an alien concept to you folks? It's a perfect storm of ignorance-fueled irony in here today.
Though I love your trite 'run for political office' solution -- so loud, public dissent against government officials WE HIRED is beyond the pale? If shareholders were told they have no voice in companies they've invested in, but were rather told they had to run for the Board of Directors to exercise their rights, the howls of the market would rock the Earth from its axis...why is it different when it comes to gov't?
nukemm3333 [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 11:43am
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That comment is far too insightful for this medium sir, may I suggest the World News forum or C-Span's hotline. You see, we are a community of dick and fart jokes corrolating to the smashed heads, battered women, and stupid stunts. While I do appreciate the value that you put in the freedom of speech and the corruption of the "powers that be" I would much rather wallow in my ignorance than to admit that these type of protests are essential to change. Given the chance I wouldn't have ran over her obviously (even though I am sure that was not his intention) but I would have dragged them out of the way of my vehicle. Anyway, cheers to you for keeping up the good fight and not being a tool like me. ![]()
ShockCaller [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 12:22pm
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Fuck it, your argument had a lot of merit -- I'm not much of a protest fan, but it does have some upside. While I tend to think the advantages (Civil Rights, unionization, the MOTHERFUCKING REVOLUTION) outweigh the disadvantages (work stoppages, lost productivity, occasional bouts of insanity) by a mile. If not for the brutal indifference of this car-driving douche, if he had merely bumped his way through rather than slowly plowing a half-ton vehicle over a teenager, I might not be so ready to take the protesters' side.
Oh yeah, dick joke.
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They were right to target drivers, though.
I mean, motorists are complicit in the Lizard King Bush's Zionist conspiracy to seize Iraqi oil.
It's the influx of millions of barrels of this stolen oil that has led to... erm, sky-high oil prices... and... erm...
Anyway. He's a lizard.
He really is.
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It is sad that anyone would give this comment a negative as when I found it. Apparently, they lack the basic mental ability to understand satire. Thus, accordingly they should be put to death by a means of your choosing, which I am sure would be both amusing and incredibly ironic. Just make sure it is on NT within a week, labeled “warning.”
Cynical_Genius [ban] | Feb 24 08 : 5:33am
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They can protest all they like. But how do they think they're gonna win the peoples sympathy and support by ruining their day? People are easily pissed off when they're in their cars. It's a widely known phenomenon called 'road rage'. So these idiot protesters got what was coming whether it was right or wrong. It was just plain irresponsible to fuck with angry people in cars. An accident like this was almost inevitable.
Another angle of what transpired that day is that it hi-lights the argument that people should be retested at sixty to check their fit to be in charge of a potentially lethal weapon, such as a car.
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What fucking kind of video is it for fux sake???
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She didnt even make it worth our while to watch It ,I mean she could of at least tried to explode under the weight of the car! Just like my Hero
The Biker did, Who was totally bodyminced
after him becoming a human speed hump Vs BIG HEAVY MFUKKING TRUCK
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Stupid students. Just wait until they're working 60 hours a week to provide for their family, they are on their last warning at work, they are late because they had to take their kid to the hospitat because they swallowed your wallet, then you find a bunch of spoiled lay-about students sitting in the road blocking your way to work. I would have accellerated, not breaked. Fair play to the driver. He deserves a fucking medal. Those students should all be arrested and charged with breaking the peace.
ShockCaller [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 9:28am
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Yes, that free speech is quite a pesky burr in the side of our well-oiled economy, isn't it? If we could just get rid of protesters, all those problems you dreamed up to justify this man's atrocious behavior would just disappear, right? Last time I checked, freedom of expression was an inalienable right, while driving is only a privilege.
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You Bloody Idiot. Free speech is SPEECH. TALKING, VERBALISING, SHOUTING, YELLING. Not sitting in the middle of a public street. Sitting on the side-walk is ok, because the side walk is for PEOPLE. Sitting in the road is NOT acceptable because the road is for CARS. Those students were not doing thier anti-war protest much good by blocking cars. If I put wheel-clamps on every car in your town/city as a protest against the war would you think that that is acceptable? NO YOU FUCKING WOULDN'T. These students are just pissing people off.
Once again I reitterate my original sentiments: I would have accellerated, not braked.
ShockCaller [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 10:42am
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Holy fuck, are you kidding me!? Here's Justice Brandeis, in Whitney v. California, explaining why you don't know what you're talking about (emphasis added):
"They believed liberty to be the secret of happiness and courage to be the secret of liberty. They believed that freedom to think as you will and to speak as you think are means indispensable to the discovery and spread of political truth; that without free speech and assembly discussion would be futile; that with them, discussion affords ordinarily adequate protection against the dissemination of noxious doctrine; that the greatest menace to freedom is an inert people; that public discussion is a political duty;"
And here's the goddamn Bill of Rights, showing why you really need to clam the fuck up (emphasis, again, added):
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Seriously, do you have a point validated by, y'know, facts? Unless that hole you're digging is that comfy...
ShockCaller [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 11:31am
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In addition, the wheel-clamps analogy is absurd, since that would involve tampering with private property. And if your 'sidewalks=people, roads=cars' claim were true, get back to me after you fail to yield to a pedestrian. Hell, if someone is attempting to jay-walk, and you don't let them, its still an infraction! Why? Because walking falls under the jurisdiction of Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
"Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State."
However, gov't may place strictures upon the means of transportation, i.e. requiring a license, following driving laws, etc.
So walking (or the lack thereof, within public parameters) is a human right, which supersedes driving, which is only a state-sanctioned PRIVILEGE. The elevation of this man's driving privilege over their human rights of movement and freedom of assembly is not up to him to decide.
GOT IT NOW?
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"Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State."
Sitting in the middle of a public street is not moving nor is it residing. By sitting down and blocking traffic, these protesters are preventing other people from moving. Your own message seems to back up my sentiment. These protesters were in the wrong. I don't care about what they were trying to do or say. They went about things in an entirely wrong manner.
I have a job with a global company. If I was held up due to a bunch of idiots sitting in the road I would be pissed off. I would warn them that I was going to drive on, then I would have driven on. I don't have time to go trawling through past court cases looking for a quote that I think will back me up, so here is a quote from a recent internet discussion:
Everyone on nothingtoxic vs ShockCaller
You are wrong. Noone agrees with you. Your opinions are stupid and make you look like a total pussy. However they ARE argued well, so i'll admit that you are a worthy advisary. But you aren't going to change my opinion on this matter.
ShockCaller [ban] | Feb 27 08 : 7:47am
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Thanks for the backhanded hat tip in your forums...? Really, I couldn't care less.
You have the 'right' to drive onto those citizens who are blocking you from going to work. Likewise, you have the 'right' to surrender to the authorities when you are charged with the felony you would rightly deserve. What you don't seem to understand is that there is no absolute right -- rather, there are graduations of rights. Your right to gainful employment is not absolute, and barring a police officer exercising his legally binding judgment, your rights do not trump theirs. If everyone had 'gone about their business, nothing to see here' in the past, there'd be a lot more tyranny in this world. Also, if you happen to be enjoying that forty-hour work at that 'global company' you work for, know that the valuable overtime pay you receive is due to throngs of workers doing exactly what these kids were doing. Its so easy to enjoy the fruits of protest in hindsight, without understanding the necessity of the protest itself. Calling kids standing up for their beliefs 'selfish' is shameful behavior.
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They are "standing up for their beliefs"? Most of the students near where I live were going to anti-war protests just to get out of classes.
Standing up for your beliefs should be a peaceful process. Blocking people led to anger which led to the scenes we saw in the video. No sitting in street = no running over. I am not against their rights to protest. I myself attended anti-war marches. They were planned out and properly policed. They did not lead to any problems and were recieved with good grace by the authorities. They didn't do a fucking thing to change anything, but I was happy to have voiced my opinions.
Why didn't these kids just protest outside their local congressman's home?
Sitting in the road was a stupid idea. The people sitting caused these problems. Protests can be a good thing, but not in a way that fucks up other people's lives.
ShockCaller [ban] | Feb 27 08 : 11:41am
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And like I said, those workers filled the streets to get labor laws passed. What you don't seem to get is that a rally can be 'peaceful' and 'disruptive' at the same time. Both Gandhi and MLK were nonviolent, yet noone would say their actions weren't disruptive. Are you saying that a heretofore peaceful event, when violence is instigated by counter-protesters, is to be considered violent? I suppose when Rosa Parks wouldn't move to the back of the bus, and ALL those good white passengers were delayed, that it made her actions 'violent?' And that if someone had dragged her off and dragged her under the bus, that it would have been justified? That's absurd on its face.
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Yes. That is exactly what I am saying. Rosa Parks should have been run over. Dumbass!
If you sit in the road you risk being run over. In the same way that if you walk on the tracks you risk being hit by a train. Or by kicking a bear in the bollocks you risk being mauled.
latinman316 [ban] | Feb 25 08 : 11:45am
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I thought the guy in the car expressed himself just fine!
Freedom of speech is wonderful, I would have expressed myself further when the mob of idiots came after me, backing over the lot of em. Twice if they didn't hear me the first time!
LaSensacion1 [ban] | Feb 24 08 : 5:35am
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i would have done the same fucking thing...for real...GET OUT OF MY WAY BEFORE I RUN OVER YOUR BALLS BITCH ![]()
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How is pissing people off going to generate peace?I hate when assholes walk in the street, I cant imagine them sitting in the street blocking my path.What , they dont like the abuse the asphault takes under vehicles tires, so they fling them selves on the ground to protect the defenseless asphault from the vehicles? WTF????
Skydiver666 [ban] | Feb 24 08 : 6:12am
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if youre in the fucking road you need to get hit...i think i remember my parents telling me that. Anyway, whats been going on fellows. havent been here in a while. But having a great time in WWyoming...lots of booze, smoke, and the women are unbelievable...hope to hear from some of you in my shoutbox....peace
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liacon [ban] | Feb 24 08 : 4:10am
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WTF they charged the driver, he should have got a medal. Fucking idiots climbing all over his car. I would call it self defense.